Author: Dinesh Agarwal
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(This write-up is a compilation
by Dr Dinesh Agarwal of Nobel laureate V.S. Naipaul's views on various
subjects, expressed at various fora.)
"How do you ignore history? But
the nationalist movement, Independence movement ignored it. You read the
Glimpses of World History by Jawaharlal Nehru, it talks about the mythical
past and then it jumps the difficult period of the invasions and conquests.
So you have Chinese pilgrims coming to Bihar, Nalanda and places like that.
Then somehow they don't tell you what happens, why these places are in
ruin. They never tell you why Elephanta island is in ruins or why Bhubaneswar
was desecrated."
"People in India have only known
tyranny. The very idea of liberty is a new idea. Particularly pathetic
is the harking back to the Mughals as a time of glory. In fact, the Mughals
were tyrants, every one of them. They were foreign tyrants and they were
proud of being foreign."
"India has been a wounded civilisation
because of Islamic violence. Pakistanis know this; indeed they revel in
it. It is only Indian Nehruvians like Romila Thapar who pretend that Islamic
rule was benevolent. We should face facts: Islamic rule in India was at
least as catastrophic as the later Christian rule. The Christians created
massive poverty in what was a most prosperous country; the Muslims created
a terrorised civilization out of what was the most creative culture that
ever existed."
"India was wrecked and looted, not
once but repeatedly by invaders with strong religious ideas, with a hatred
for the religion of the people they were conquering. People read these
accounts but they do not imaginatively understand the effects of conquest
by an iconoclastic religion."
"India became the great land for
Muslim adventurers and the peasantry bore this on their back. They were
enslaved quite literally. It just went on like this from the 11th century
onwards." (source: Economic Times; www.economictimes.com).
"The millennium began with the Muslim
invasions and the grinding down of the Hindu-Buddhist culture of the north.
This is such a big and bad event that people still have to find polite,
destiny-defying ways of speaking about it. In art books and history books,
people write of the Muslims "arriving" in India, as though the Muslims
came on a tourist bus and went away again. The Muslim view of their conquest
of India is a truer one. They speak of the triumph of the faith, the destruction
of idols and temples, the loot, the carting away of the local people as
slaves, so cheap and numerous that they were being sold for a few rupees.
The architectural evidence-the absence of Hindu monuments in the north-is
convincing enough. This conquest was unlike any other before. There are
no Hindu records of this period. Defeated people never write their history.
The victors write the history. The victors were Muslims. For people on
the other side it is a period of darkness."
What is happening in India is a
new historical awakening... Indian intellectuals, who want to be secure
in their liberal beliefs, may not understand what is going on.
On Hindu militancy and India's secularism
"To say that India has a secular
character is being historically unsound. Dangerous or not, Hindu militancy
is a corrective to the history I have been talking about. It is a creative
force and will be so. Islam can't reconcile with it."
On Hindu revivalism
"India was trampled over, fought
over. You had the invasions and you had the absence of a response to them.
There was an absence even of the idea of a people, of a nation defending
itself. Only now are people beginning to understand that there has been
a great vandalising of India. The movement is now from below. It has to
be dealt with. It is not enough to abuse these youths or use that fashionable
word from Europe, 'fascism'. There is a big, historical development going
on in India." (carribeanhindu.com).
"What is happening in India is a
new historical awakening... Indian intellectuals, who want to be secure
in their liberal beliefs, may not understand what is going on. But every
other Indian knows precisely what is happening: deep down he knows that
a larger response is emerging even if at times this response appears in
his eyes to be threatening."
"Indian intellectuals have a responsibility
to the state and should start a debate on the Muslim psyche. To speak of
Hindu fundamentalism, is a contradiction in terms, it does not exist. Hinduism
is not this kind of religion. You know, there are no laws in Hinduism.
And there are many forces in Hinduism... My interest in these popular movements
is due to the pride they restore to their adherents in a country ravaged
by five or six centuries of brutal rule by Muslim invaders. These populations,
in particular the peasantry, have been so crushed that any movement provides
a certain sense of pride. The leftists who claim that these wretched folk
are fascists are wrong. It's absurd. I think that they are only reclaiming
a little of their own identity. We can't discuss it using a Western vocabulary."
"I think every liberal person should
extend a hand to that kind of movement from the bottom. One takes the longer
view than the political view. There's a great upheaval in India and if
you're interested in India, you must welcome it."
"What is happening in India is a
new, historical awakening. Gandhi used religion in a way as to marshal
people for the Independence cause. People who entered the Independence
movement did it because they felt they would earn individual merit. Only
now are the people beginning to understand that there has been a great
vandalising of India. Because of the nature of the conquest and the nature
of Hindu society such understanding had eluded Indians before." (indolink.com)
"India became the great land for
Muslim adventurers and the peasantry bore this on their back. They were
enslaved quite literally. It just went on like this from the 11th century
onwards."
On demolition of Babri structure
"Not as badly as the others did,
I am afraid. The people who say that there was no temple are missing the
point. Babar, you must understand, had contempt for the country he had
conquered. And his building of that mosque was an act of contempt. In Ayodhya,
the construction of a mosque on a spot regarded as sacred by the conquered
population was meant as an insult to an ancient idea, the idea of Ram,
which was two or three thousand years old." (The Times of India, July 18,
1993).
On the attire of the people who
demolished Babri structure
"One needs to understand the passion
that took them on top of the domes. The jeans and the T-shirts are superficial.
The passion alone is real. You can't dismiss it. You have to try to harness
it. Hitherto in India, the thinking has come from the top. What is happening
now is different. The movement is from below." (The Times of India, July
18, 1993).
On the Taj Mahal
"The Taj is so wasteful, so decadent
and in the end so cruel that it is painful to be there for very long."
(Outlook, 15 November 1999).
"You see, I am less interested in
the Taj Mahal which is a vulgar, crude building, a display of power built
on blood and bones. Everything exaggerated, everything overdone, which
suggests a complete slave population. I would like to find out what was
there before the Taj Mahal." (economictimes.indiatimes.com, 13 January
03)
On Islam
Naipaul says that Islam had enslaved
and attempted to wipe out other cultures. "It has had a calamitous effect
on converted peoples. To be converted you have to destroy your past, destroy
your history. You have to stamp on it, you have to say 'my ancestral culture
does not exist, it doesn't matter'." (Guardian News Service)
"It is not the unbeliever as the
other person so much as the remnant of the unbeliever in one's customs
and in one's ways of thinking. It's this wish to destroy the past, the
ancient soul, the unregenerate soul. This is the great neurosis of the
converted." (The New York Times Magazine, 28.10.01)
"I had known Muslims all my life.
But I knew little of their religion. The doctrine, or what I thought was
its doctrine, didn't attract me. It didn't seem worth inquiring into; and
over the years, in spite of travel, I had added little to the knowledge
gathered in my Trinidad childhood. The glories of this religion were in
the remote past; it has generated nothing like a Renaissance. Muslim countries,
were not colonies, were despotisms; and nearly all, before oil, were poor."
(From his book Among the Believers, 1981)
"India was wrecked and looted, not
once but repeatedly by invaders with strong religious ideas, with a hatred
for the religion of the people they were conquering. People read these
accounts but they do not imaginatively understand the effects of conquest
by an iconoclastic religion."
On non-fundamentalist Islam
"I think it is a contradiction.
It can always be called up to drown and overwhelm every movement. The idea
in Islam, the most important thing, is paradise. No one can be a moderate
in wishing to go to paradise. The idea of a moderate state is something
cooked up by politicians looking to get a few loans here and there." (The
New York Times Magazine, 28.10.01)
On formation of Pakistan
Naipaul considers Pakistan's founding
"extremely fortunate" for India as the "religious question would otherwise
have paralysed and consumed the state".
"The Iqbal idea that religion wasn't
a matter of conscience, that it needed a separate community and society,
was a wicked and rather foolish idea."
Naipaul calls Pakistan a "criminal"
enterprise. "Here is a Muslim country which after its creation in 1947
promptly became a state of manpower exports. Lots of people came to Britain.
The idea of a state for the Muslims began to undo itself very quickly."
Naipaul's advice to every Indian
Naipaul has advised every Indian
to make a "pilgrimage" to Vijaynagar "just to see what the (Muslim) invasion
of India led to. They will see a totally destroyed town."