Author: Mary Wakefield
Publication: The Spectator
Date: November 28, 2007
URL: http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/376476/we-are-at-war-with-all-islam.thtml
Last Tuesday at nightfall, as the servants
of democracy fled SW1, a young Somali woman stood spotlit on a stage in Westminster.
Behind her was the illuminated logo for the Centre for Social Cohesion: a
white hand reaching down across England to help a brown one up; in front,
an audience of some of Britain's biggest brains - politicians, editors, academics.
She drew her shawl a little closer round her shoulders, looked up and said:
'We are not at war with "terror", that would make no sense.'
'Hear, hear,' said a voice at the back. 'Terror
is just a tactic used by Islam,' she continued. 'We are actually at war, not
just with Islamism, but with Islam itself.'
Q.: Out in the dark began a great wobbling
of heads. Neocons nodded, Muslims shook their heads; others, uncertain, waggled
theirs anxiously from side to side: at war with all Islam, even here in the
UK? What does that mean?
A.: It would be easier in some ways to ignore Ayaan Hirsi Ali, to label her
as bonkers - but it would also be irresponsible. She's not just another hawkish
hack, anxious to occupy the top tough-guy media slot - she has the authority
of experience, the authenticity of suffering. In the spring of 2004 she wrote
a film called Submission (an artsy 11-minute protest against Islamic cruelty
to women) which was shown on Dutch TV. In November 2004 the film's director,
Theo van Gogh, was assassinated and the killer left a long letter to Hirsi
Ali knifed into his corpse which said, in short: you're next. But Hirsi Ali
couldn't be silenced. She has since written an autobiography (Infidel) about
growing up a Muslim (in Somalia, then Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia), describing
her circumcision, the beatings she received, her arranged marriage, her flight
to Holland. She risks her life daily, speaking out against what she calls
the 'fairytale' that Islam is in essence a religion of peace.
The other reason to take her seriously is
that Hirsi Ali's ideas about Islam (that it is unamenable to reform, and intrinsically
opposed to Western values) are attracting attention worldwide. In Holland
where, until 2006, she was an MP for the People's Party for Freedom and Independence
(VVD), the famous 'pillarisation' approach to immigration - where each new
culture becomes a pillar upon which the state rests - has given way to a 'new
realism', much more in tune with Hirsi Ali's way of thinking, and in part
because of her. In Britain and in America, Ayaan Hirsi Ali has become a sort
of popstar for neocons, and she now lives in Washington, and works as a fellow
of the American Enterprise Institute.
But is she right? And what does 'war with
Islam' mean? I went to find out; to meet Ayaan Hirsi Ali in the House of Lords
on a bitter and blustery afternoon last week, bustling past the police, down
the corridors of partial power, to the visitors' room where she was waiting.
We haven't got much time, so can we dive straight into Islam? I ask. 'Yes,
absolutely, go ahead,' she smiles. Up close she is disconcertingly beautiful,
and fragile-looking. OK then, right. Well, you say that Islam is a violent
religion, because the Prophet advocated violence. But isn't that open to interpretation?
I ask. Karen Armstrong, (a non-Muslim biographer of Mohammed) has said the
Prophet was a loving man who'd have been horrified at 9/11.
'Karen Armstrong is ridiculous,' says Hirsi
Ali in her quick, light voice - Africa still audible in the clipped consonants.
'The Prophet would have not have disapproved of 9/11, because it was carried
out in his example. When he came to Medina, the Prophet had a revelation,
of jihad. After that, it became an obligation for Muslims to convert others,
and to establish an Islamic state, by the sword if necessary.'
Q.: But there is such a thing as moderate
Islam, I say. Muslims aren't all terrorists. There are some like Ed Husain
(author of The Islamist) who argue that there are many peaceful traditions
of Koranic scholarship to choose from. Isn't it a mistake to dismiss this
gentler, acceptable branch of Islam?
A.: 'I find the word "moderate" very misleading.' There's a touch
of steel in Hirsi Ali's voice. 'I don't believe there is such a thing as "moderate
Islam". I think it's better to talk about degrees of belief and degrees
of practice. The Koran is quite clear that it should control every area of
life. If a Muslim chooses to obey only some of the Prophet's commandments,
he is only a partial Muslim. If he is a good Muslim, he will wish to establish
Sharia law.'
But I don't call myself a 'partial Christian'
just because I don't take the whole Bible literally, I say. Why can't a Muslim
pick and choose his scriptures too? Before Hirsi Ali can answer, the door
to the waiting room flies open and a House of Lords doorman stands theatrically
on the threshold. 'You must stop this interview immediately!' he says. Why?
Is there a breach of security? A terrorist threat? 'I have not received authorisation
for it,' he says. But we're here with a peer, I say. I'm sure he has cleared
it. 'Please proceed to the waiting area in silence.' So off we trudge to the
foyer to sit by a fake fire - 'it's much nicer here, anyway,' says Hirsi Ali
kindly - and to continue our discussion about the superiority of the free,
enlightened West in urgent whispers behind my rucksack.
'Christianity is different from Islam,' says
Hirsi Ali, 'because it allows you to question it. It probably wasn't different
in the past, but it is now. Christians - at least Christians in a liberal
democracy - have accepted, after Thomas Hobbes, that they must obey the secular
rule of law; that there must be a separation of church and state. In Islamic
doctrine such a separation has not occurred yet. This is what makes it dangerous!
Islam - all Islam, not just Islamism - has not acknowledged that it must obey
secular law. Islam is hostile to reason.'
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's eyes are now aglow. She
is a terrific believer in reason. For her, Western civilisation is built on
the bedrock not of Judaeo-Christian values, but of logic. After seeking asylum
in Holland, she spent five years at Leiden university studying political science,
absorbing the Enlightenment philosophers - Spinoza, Hobbes, Voltaire - and
she mentions them fondly, as if they're family. But there's a steely side
to her atheism, which says with Voltaire: Ecraser l'infâme! During a
recent debate with Ed Husain, as Husain was explaining his moderate Islam,
she began to laugh at him, saying: 'When you die you rot, Ed! There is no
afterlife, Ed!' And it makes me wonder whether, for Hirsi Ali, Islam's crime
is as much against reason as humanity; whether she sees the point of spirituality
at all.
Are you so sure you understand what is at
the heart of Islam? I ask her. Isn't there a peaceful prayerfulness - apart
from the politics - that an atheist might not understand? 'I was a Muslim
once, remember, and it was when I was most devout that I was most full of
hate,' she says.
Q.: OK then, you talk about your conscience,
and how your conscience was pricked by 9/11. But if there's no God, what do
you mean by a conscience? And why should we obey it?
A.: 'My conscience is informed by reason,' says Hirsi Ali, surprised I should
ask. 'It's like Kant's categorical imperative: behave to others as you would
wish they behaved to you.'
I say, so let's assume Islam is hostile and
not open to reason, that it needs to be wiped out. The next question then
is how? We can't just ban it. Isn't it destructive to curtail freedom so much
in the interests of protecting it? Don't you risk loving freedom to death?
Hirsi Ali looks at me with pity. 'You, here
in the UK, are in danger. Of course you can't ban Islam outright, but you
need to stop the spread of ideology, stop native Westerners converting to
Islam. You definitely need to ban the veil in schools, and to close down Muslim
schools because that's where kids are indoctrinated.'
Q.: But, what about freedom of belief and
free speech? I ask (with a nervous look at the doorman). And if you close
down Muslim schools, don't you, by the same logic, have to close all faith
schools?
A.: 'Islam is different from other faiths because it is not just a faith,
it is a political ideology. Children learn that Allah is the lawgiver, and
that is a political statement. You wouldn't allow the BNP to run a school,
would you?'
But if we crack down like this, won't it make
Muslims angry? I say, thinking about terrorists and my safety. 'Well perhaps
anger is no bad thing,' says Hirsi Ali, thinking about ordinary Muslims, and
their enlightenment. 'Perhaps it'll make Muslims more aware, help them question
their beliefs. If we keep on asking questions, maybe Muslim women will realise,
as I did, that they don't have to be second-class citizens.'
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is on her favourite topic
now (the subjection of women), leaning forward, gesticulating. And as she
talks I realise (belatedly) what makes her different from her neocon pals.
Whereas they seem motivated by fear of Muslims, she is out to protect Muslims
from submission to unreason. When she speaks of a 'war against Islam', she's
thinking not of armies of insurgents, but of an ideological virus, in the
same way a doctor might talk of the battle against typhoid. 'Yes, I am at
war with Islam,' she says, as she gets up to leave, 'but I am not at war with
Muslims.' It's a crucial difference.
It's teatime now and the House of Lords hallway
is suddenly full of peers' wives chattering, shaking their brollies. Sorry
about all these women in headscarves, I say unnecessarily, as I shake her
hand goodbye. 'Don't worry,' says Ayaan Hirsi Ali, 'It's not the hijab, the
headscarves are just to protect them against the rain!' And she walks off,
laughing.
